9/11/2004

[unclejimbo]

Three years... What have we gained? Are we safer?

Not much. Not really.

1000 soldiers dead in Iraq, I don't know how many we've lost in Afghanistan but we seem to be making progress there. We went there because of Al Quaeda, not for oil.

*sigh*

And now Bush is using fear to bolster his chances of being elected. 'Vote for me or die'. I'll die first, thanks.

I remember the pain we all felt. I'm just sad that such an opportunity for world peace has been squandered by a buffoon. And his rich handlers.

Comments

[washuotaku.livejournal.com]

In war, a thousand soldiers killed is a drop in the bucket... sounds cynical, but that's reality. 13 thousand soldiers died on "D" Day alone.

As for safer, well... hasn't been any attacks on U.S. Soil since three years ago. Just giving my two cents.

I don't know about the vote for him or die part, but...

[solidkz.livejournal.com]

I haven't seen any Embassies blown up, I haven't seen any soldiers killed except in a war zone, No suicide boats attacking our ships in friendly ports. I haven't seen any terrorist attacks on American civilian targets (again, Outside of a war zone) in three years.

There was one American in Saudi who was killed along with a lot of Saudis and a lot of deaths in a War Zone, but still an average amount considering how many people are killed or injured while state-side, and in actuality quite a low number considering that we are at war on two fronts.

In the first Gulf War we lost 150 people in a space of 5 weeks and we said "wow! That's fewer people in the military dead than if they'd been back home!" That we've only lost 7 times that number in more than 15x the the number of weeks, I'd say we're doing pretty damned good. At least the soldiers in the war zones are expecting to be attacked and are able to fight back, not like the people who lost their lives in New York or DC, or in the Khobar Towers, or in the two Embassies in Africa or aboard the USS Cole.

I'd say they've done a pretty damned good job of keeping us all safe.

[solidkz.livejournal.com]

There haven't been any attacks on Americans abroad either -with the exception of those who are actually at war or in a war zone.

Re: I don't know about the vote for him or die part, but...

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

Buh.

Actually, I'd like to put forth the argument that we're actually paying more attention and preventing attacks -

I'd like to point to Afghanistan and say things are going better there - but I haven't gotten anything past dead air for months.

No, I can't let this one slide -

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

This sums it up better than me just ranting on - We're gonna git you suckah Timeline

Invading, and occupying a country does not fight terrorism. It makes more terrorists.

Plenty of other targets have been hit in the last three years. The fact they weren't always Americans shouldn't be a factor. If it was someone else, it could be us next - that's what got us here in the first place. It took years for those nutjobs to plan 9/11 - in all that time, it wasn't us, so it didn't matter. Well, now it is - happy?!

We're a lot more aware of our vulnerabilities. And these guys can wait forever - they don't have the resources to just keep banging away at whatever pisses them off.

We've got armed forces in action all over the world. They all protect our interests - saying that it's only being done in Iraq is simplistic, inaccurate and unfair.

[unclejimbo.livejournal.com]

I think Daniel Pearl's family will differ with you on that point. He was murdered in Pakistan, not one of the 'war zones' you describe.

As for safer, when they get on the air and say, "There's going to be an attack", that's not making us safer. It just means that the terrorists can use a few choice e-mails and other methods to make us spend millions of dollars and get people in an uproar.

Sorry, I still think things have been mishandled. Of course, that is my own opinion and nothing more.

[unclejimbo.livejournal.com]

5,000 soldiers died on Omaha beach alone. 350,000 died when we dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I understand that people die in wars. However, the general consensus is that the 50,000+ who died in Vietnam died for little or no reason. Despite what they want people to believe on FOX News, we lost Vietnam.

Sure they haven't attacked us here. There are 100,000 Americans in easy proximity in Iraq. Why spend the effort to atack us here right now. Besides they can stir things up with a few e-mails which cost next to nothing to get us to spend millions on 'increased security'.

We disagree. So what. That's what being in a democracy means, being able to disagree and not want to kill each other over those differences.